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Posted in dog breeds | Tagged laika, Swedish vallhund, West Siberian laika | 13 Comments

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1. on December 8, 2012 at 10:35 am | Reply massugu

   I love watching dogs at play. I was walking a neighbor’s 2 dogs this morning when I met another neighbor who was out w/ his 2 dogs. It was a stitch watching them interact and horse around (and walking w/in the pack structure was damn satisfying as well.)

   
   
2. on December 8, 2012 at 10:44 am | Reply bearcoatpei

   Watching that video is why I love having two dogs at a time. You can’t fail to smile seeing two doggies having a blast play wrestling.

   
   
3. on December 9, 2012 at 2:47 am | Reply chervilmeadow

   You mention also the vallhund (or vastgotaspitz – no umlout on my keyboard). It is sometimes assumed that they may have some joint origin with the similar looking Pembroke corgi and reference is made to ancient trade between Wales and Scandinavia. Others hypothesise that it’s just coincidence. Personally I don’t think i’s entirely coincidence as our western celts are the only British tribes who bred and utilised a spitzlike dog (two if you include the Cardigan variant of the corgi) Also Vikings sailed and plundered a lot down that western coast. I often imagine that possibly the blue eyes and blonde hair of my wife’s family may be due to past contact with either the seventh to ninth century viking ‘visitors’ or the flemings who settled at a later time. They all subsequently adopted Welsh as their language – sadly now a language just hanging on but at last being fairly treated by being taught in all Welsh schools.

   The corgi was a useful design for driving cattle on the long walk into England to provide London with meat. They were fattened enroute on the lusher English grass as they went across the border. The Welsh themselves had long been driven west by the partly romanised anglo saxon mercenaries and their descendants once the romans had left to defend Rome. These victorious anglo saxons were content then not to pursue the Welsh further into slavery or extinction largely because the mountainous western part of our island was deemed too infertile, windy and acid for animals and crops to achieve adequate potential.

   Incidentally, the corgi cattle dogs evolved partly because their dwarf legs allowed them to duck quickly out of range of flaying hooves. The cattle were justifiably annoyed because those corgis were also selected for their tendency to bite heels to hasten progress of their charges. This heel biting tendency is a reason which now mitigates against the corgi becoming a more favoured pet despite the best efforts of our royal family and others to popularise the pembroke variant.

   
   
   • on December 9, 2012 at 10:49 am | Reply retrieverman

     Big discussion here, but the genetic studies show that vallhunds are most closely related to other Nordic spitzes, not the corgis.

     
     
     • on December 9, 2012 at 11:49 am | Reply massugu

       Three possibilities occur to me: 1) simple convergence based on the need for a dog w/ this conformation & temperament; 2) one people saw value in the conformation & temperament of the other peoples’ dogs and purposely developed the traits independently (really a subset of 1); or 3) there was at one time a close genetic connection but the genetic markers have since been swamped through breeding practices.

       Occam’s Razor would suggest #3 as the best answer, but genetic evidence has to be the go-to in the absence of anything more definitive.

       
       
       • on December 9, 2012 at 12:10 pm | Reply Dave

         I wouldn’t say Corgi and Vallhunds have the same temperament.

         The former is too terrier-like and the latter is way too independent-minded.

         
         
         • on December 9, 2012 at 12:54 pm | Reply massugu

           I’ll have to take your word for it Dave–I’ve no experience w/ either.

           
           
     • on December 9, 2012 at 12:13 pm | Reply Dave

       Remember the study which revealed the short-legged dwarfism stems from the African-Arabian wolf population?

       
       
4. on December 10, 2012 at 1:59 pm | Reply labpack

   Dave, makes me wonder how breeds like Gray Norwegian Elkhounds and Labradors fit in the pattern – their short-legged dwarfism stemming back from the African-Arabian wolf population?

   
   
   • on December 10, 2012 at 2:07 pm | Reply Dave

     I don’t think anyone has done a study on where the recessive dwarfism stems fro yet?

     Jess from DesertWindHounds might know.

     
     
   • on December 10, 2012 at 3:07 pm | Reply retrieverman

     I thought I saw a study on it a while back. I stand corrected. I can’t find it now.

     
     
     • on December 11, 2012 at 1:23 am | Reply Dave

       I know they found the smallness gene in Arabian wolf population.

       
       
5. on December 10, 2012 at 4:20 pm | Reply labpack

   Yes, the mutation in Elkhounds is identified: http://www.koirangeenit.fi/in-english/projects/bone-diseases/

   and so is the one in Labradors:
   http://www.genetics.unibe.ch/content/rubrik/labrador_dwarfism/index_eng.html

   Where or when these breed specific mutations manifested themselves is anyone’s guess.

   
   

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