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This dog is a golden retriever/border collie cross.

For some reason, people expect this cross to look like a border collie with gold coloration. Such dogs exist. They are called “Australian red” or gold border collies. If one of those is crossed with golden retriever, the puppies will be various shades of gold. This same color exists in English shepherd dogs, where it is called “clear sable.”

True sable colllie types are genetically quite different from golden retrievers. Several years ago, someone started a designer breed by crossing sable collies with golden retrievers. The results were mostly black dogs that looked something like border collies crossed with flat-coated retrievers. The breed folded because they did not understand the genetics of coat color. Everyone wanted a golden collie dog, not a black dog that had collie and golden parents. Goldens do not carry any sable genetics, so it is impossible for the recessive red to yellow to mask sable, as it apparently has with brindle. (These golden retriever/Malinois crosses suggest that some goldens have Kbr, which is masked by the e/e).

Of course, most of this is a moot point when it comes to border collies. Most border collies are black and white dogs. The black is dominant black, and when bred to a golden retriever, the black color is dominant to the yellow to red coloration (e/e). Solid coloration is dominant to various forms of spotting genetics, so the puppies are mostly solid black in color.

Here is another golden retreiver/border collie cross:

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Because most goldens are BBee in their genotype, many golden mixes are actually black, and in shelters, get labeled as “Lab mixes.”

However, if the dog is long-haired, it is very unlikely that it is an F1 cross with a Lab. A tiny, tiny minority of Labradors carry the recessive long-haired gene– the result of crossbreeding with goldens and flat-coats (and maybe Newfoundlands and setters). Long-haired Labs exist but are very rare, much rarer than brindle Labradors or black and tan or chocolate and tan Labs.

A Labrador retriever crossed with a long-haired border collie would most likely be smooth-haired. So if one finds a black dog dog that has retriever and border collie features, it is most likely a golden retriever/border collie cross, not a Lab and border collie cross.



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It would take just 50 random ISDS border collies to reconstruct Wiston Cap.

No popular sire problems in BC’s?

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Ah, remember when we were told that Wiston Cap had nothing wrong with him and that there have been no other popular sires in the border collie?

Well, Christopher Landauer analyzes Wiston Cap’s contribution to the pervasiveness of collie eye anomaly in border collies.

He also finds that there are more popular sires in the bloodline besides Wiston Cap, who isn’t even the number one sire.

Please note that he’s not saying that the disease originated with that dog.

What he’s saying that such overuse of this dog has made it possible for that disease to be pervasive in the border collie.

Here are the OptiGen numbers on the pervasiveness of CEA in the various collie breeds.

Compared to North American shelties and Australian shepherds, CEA is a bigger problem in the border collie than one might suppose.

The popular sire effect exists in border collies, and it has been detrimental to them.

These are simple facts.

No screeds can change facts.

Only listening to evidence objectively can help us change things.


Please note that I am not selling anyone’s dogs on this blog.

Christopher is a breeder, but he is selling the dogs on their own merit.

All I am doing is promoting his ideas and calculations on this blog.

These calculations simply shatter the myths that trial dogs are inherently healthy because they are trialled and that border collies are not subject to the most-used sire effect.

These are just myths.

I would have expected this from the AKC fanatics.

But I did not expect such denialism from working dog people.

See earlier posts.

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The Bark interviews Karsten Heuer in the April/May 2010 issue. Heuer and his wife, Leanne Allison, made a documentary about their journey from Alberta to visit the renowned Canadian author and environmental activist Farley Mowat.  Accompanying Heuer and Allison on this journey were their two-year-old son, Zev (Hebrew for wolf) and their young border collie named Willow.

The family travel through the wilderness places that are featured so prominently in Mowat’s writings, including some epic wilderness canoeing.

When they arrived at Mowat’s home in Cape Breton, they meet Mowat’s Labrador cross named Chester. Because no more water dogs exist, it looks like Mowat has gone for the reasonable facsimile– the Labrador cross.

I am definitely going to have to see Finding Farley.


The most interesting part of the interview (for me, at least) was that Mowat has a manuscript of a book about Albert.

Not the wolf.

Albert the St. John’s water dog.

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New Border Collie puppies

At Borderwars.

And the colors are amazing.

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For all of you English shepherd, farm collie, border collie, Lacey dog, McNab shepherd, and Australian [sic] shepherd fans out there:


And here’s a wonderful article on the old-collie-type landrace, which our so many Americans knew so well.

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