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The most interesting story to come out of the Crufts 2012 debacle is the story of the Clumber Spaniel, Chervood Snowsun.

What makes it so interesting are the lies and the lying liars who tell the lies about this dog.

Lie Number 1:

In the immediate aftermath of the DQ, the owner called for an interview with the dog fancy’s Pravda organ, DogWorldTV. In the interview, she explicitly said the dog didn’t have ectropion.

Here’s the video:


I’ve been attacked  for saying that this woman denied ectropion. She’s not a native English speaker, so she may not have understood the word.

And that may have been.

But if you watch the video all the way through, the actual Clumber Spaniel Club in the UK comes to the defense of the dog and says there was no ectropion.

That is, the owner is not the only one lying.  The club is, too!

And this lie became obvious when someone managed to snap a photo of the official document describing Chervood’s Snowsun.

If you have a hard time reading the hieroglyphics of the veterinary profession, it clearly says this dog has bilateral ectropion.

You’d think that would stop the lying, but it did not.

On the Monday after Crufts, another lie came filtering its way through the paranoid natterings that have been filtering around online with the various Facebook groups that are out there claiming to be in defense of purebred dogs.

The dog was taken to a vet, and the dog’s eyes turned out to be normal. So it must be that the dog was healthy after all, and it was the card-carrying PETA member vet that caused the DQ.

Um. Wrong. There was no mention of the condition of the dog’s eyelids on that form.

It turns out that the whole thing is one giant piece of misninformation and lying through omission, as Chris over at BorderWars points out.  This lie is added to with another claim that this breed has passed its BVA/KS/ISDS eye scheme tests. These tests never look at the eyelids.

“The BVA/KC/ISDS eye scheme does not certify adnexal problems such as entropion, ectropion, distichiasis. Gonioscopy is not standard, but may be tested for separately. Entropion and Ectropion are very common in some breeds. Poor eyelid conformation is a source of pain and chronic low grade misery for affected dogs.”

There is no document that shows that this dog’s eyelids had ever been examined, except by the judge at Crufts.

The owner has engaged in deliberately dishonest behavior to get the sheep who will parrot talking points to defend show breeders at all costs. Chris writes:

So we have a perfect example of the owner of the dog making huge claims about how healthy this dog is because the breeder did all of 5 tests which looked at 3 joints (hips, elbows, knee cap), a limited survey of the eye, and one DNA exam for Exercised Induced Collapse.

The owner then gets caught at Crufts with a dog that has ectropion. Instead of admitting that the dog has this condition, as do many Clumber Spaniels, they lie and say that it does not have ectropion and that they have an exam result to prove it. But they are lying through omission.

You can’t pass a health check you never took in the first place!

There is no document, other than that from the vet at Crufts, that shows that anyone has ever looked at her eyelids.

This is a lie through omission. Most of the public doesn’t know that the check doesn’t examine the eyelids, so they assume that a document that says the dog is fine is somehow proof that the vet at Crufts unfairly targeted this dog.

If people are willing to lie about this dog and this condition, just imagine what sort of lies and misrepresentations are going with the other DQ BOB’s from this year’s Crufts?

Chris writes:

At the highest level of the sport under the greatest scrutiny you can imagine, a top flight breeder will still LIE through her teeth about what those health tests mean to deceive the public. Ectropion is not a joke, but neither is it a deeply held shameful secret. It’s widespread in several breeds and it’s easily diagnosed just from looking at most dogs with it. If the best of the best don’t have the stones to say “it’s epidemic in the breed and we’re willing to work on it, so what if we don’t win a ribbon for a few years while we try” then what can we expect them to say about the diseases which aren’t so superficial, aren’t so easy to diagnose by the public without benefit of breeder disclosure, and aren’t known to be so present in so many lines.

What about all the other diseases and conditions that have no test? That’s the vast majority of them. Will we still believe that the dogs these people breed are healthy when we have no data one way or another? Will we still accept their dangerous breeding practices, the ones that increase disease expression, when they claim to have healthy dogs because they have some results for a half dozen tests or less?

If they are willing to pretend that a simple eye exam clears their dogs of conditions which they know their dog does have but which the test does not actually cover, what other diseases will they knowingly cover up with such claims.

This owner is clearly using other people in the fancy, who are coming to her defense with this faulty information. I don’t know if the Clumber Spaniel Club members actually know the truth or if they are also being used in this manipulative scheme.  I would be highly surprised that they wouldn’t know the truth, and if they are, they are lying and manipulating people, too.

So if you’re going to defend this dog and her owner, you need a little stronger sauce than these tests and that vet report.

If  you can produce a document that says the eyelids are fine, you win.

If you cannot, then you know you’re being lied to.

And you should be angry with her and the Clumber Spaniel Club, not Crufts and not the Kennel Club.

All of this self-righteous indignation about the DQ’d BOB’s at Crufts is really getting old. The anger is being misdirected at the real culprits in this whole mess.

Paranoid rants about animal rights activists coming to take your dogs simply won’t cut it.

Every lie that is told about this dog or any of the others is further evidence for the animal rights lobby to present the dog owning public that the dog fancy is morally bankrupt and/or insane.

The way the dog fancy is handling this issue is proving it to be an entitled, selfish subculture that cares far more about nylon ribbons than it does about dog health.

That’s just about a step above Michael Vick in the eyes of the pet-owning public.

That’s not a good place to be.

It’s very hard to make rational arguments about anything, because people already think your either evil or insane.

So think about this when you write these paranoid little comments on my blog or those of others.

Your ass is showing.







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There was lots of crowing yesterday about a new eye exam on the Clumber spaniel bitch who got DQ’s from BOB at Crufts this year.

Now, the original paper work on the Clumber spaniel wound up online when someone managed to snap a photo of the DQ papers. The reason for the DQ should be clear to anyone familiar with the English language and the hieroglyphics that comprise the penmanship of most veterinarians.

Bilateral ectropion means that she has it both eyes.

Now her owner appeared before the media and then lied through her teeth about the reason for the dog’s DQ. She totally denied that the reason for the DQ was ectropion.

That lie wound up not spinning so well, seeing as the actual document on this dog had now become public knowledge.

So they decided to go to another vet for a second opinion yesterday.

And the result of the second opinion have been the source of a lot of misinformation online, especially on insane asylum that is the League Against Pedigree Breed Bashing, which I call the dog fancy’s “half-assed Legion of Doom.” Here’s what had them so excited yesterday:

Ah, so she didn’t have ectropion at all!  That vet at crufts really screwed her over!

Well, hold your horses.

Here’s what the report actually said:

The vet didn’t actually check for ectropion!

It was an examination of the eyes, yes.

But it didn’t look for that particular condition at all.

One must remember that the owner of this dog denies that the dog has any form of ectropion at all, so she may not have even asked the vet to check for it.

It’s because of the amount of spin about this dog that one should be skeptical of what is being said about all the others.

Most of the other DQ’s due to health at this year’s Crufts have remained silent. There are lawsuits pending, so they might not want to give away all the evidence in one fell swoop.

However, the bulldog people are also making some noise.

The Bulldog Breed Council has posted the reason why Jenny (“Jenneh”) was DQ’d at Crufts:

The top winning Bulldog in question has an old eye injury, it is not visible to the naked eye in the normal manner of being examined by the judge nor is it visible without pulling the dog’s eyelid down and a light being used.

It was a knock to the eye the dog had as a puppy and as had no ill effects and the exhibitor had not given this a second thought as a reason the dog would not be classed as healthy by the independent veterinarian on the day.

It seems the Kennel Club are assuming that any mark on the cornea of any Bulldog is due to damage caused by eye disease, in this case this is simply not true, and will be taken up with the Kennel Club by representatives of the Bulldog Breed Council at a meeting on 23rd March which we hopefully will prevent situations like this re-occurring in future

In all other areas this bulldog is healthy and passed all requirements

No documentation of these claims has been provided.

So they are just claims.

Also known as rumors.

And seeing as there are so many falsehoods floating around about the Clumber spaniel, why should we accept what people are saying about the bulldog as being the gospel truth?

I am very skeptical that a vet would DQ a dog for something as minor as an old eye injury. It makes absolutely no sense why a highly qualified veterinarian, whose support for the Kennel Club and purebred dogs is exemplified in being the official health check vet at Crufts, would come up with some spurious reason to disqualify a relatively moderate-looking bulldog.

There has to be something more to the DQ than an old eye injury.

But no documentation has been provided for the public to see.

So why on earth would you believe these claims?

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Recumbent Clumber spaniel. Note the excess skin covering the eyes. NB: This is not the dog that got scratched from Crufts today. Please read this caption before commenting.

Another casualty of the new Kennel Club rules requiring a mandatory health check for certain high profile breeds is the Clumber spaniel. From the KC’s press release:

No dog representing the Clumber Spaniel breed will compete in Friday evening’s Best in Group competition at Crufts after it failed the new veterinary check that has been introduced to the show.

The Best of Breed award was not given to Clumber Spaniel, Chervood Snowsun, following its veterinary check, which was carried out by an independent veterinary surgeon. This means that it will not be allowed to continue into the Gundog Best in Group competition.

The Kennel Club has introduced veterinary checks for the Best of Breed winners at all Kennel Club licensed General and Group Championship Dog Shows from Crufts 2012 onwards, in 15 designated high profile breeds. This measure was introduced to ensure that Best of Breed awards are not given to any dogs that show visible signs of problems due to conditions that affect their health or welfare.

Jemima Harrison has some pics of the dog on her blog. Can we guess why she was scratched?

Jemima thinks it’s ectropion, and I have to say that’s probably the best bet.

This dog had several health clearance and has some gun dog qualifications.

My guess is that she is working on her Show Gundog Working Certificate, which she must have in order to be considered a full champion in the Kennel Club’s system.

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