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These dogs are mountain curs, but feists are also widely used.

You could see the utility of using a golden retriever when the squirrel is shot.

Mountain curs are multi-purpose hound-type dogs that have lots of other things in them, including terrier and Native American dogs. This was once the landrace farm dog in West Virginia, and I think they ought to be West Virginia’s state dog.

The feists are a terrier-type dog. The rat terrier is either a feist or a close relative (It depends upon who you ask). They are not like Jack Russells. They are generally game dogs, but not so game that they’ll go to ground and get their faces torn to bits fighting game (which you have to control for  if you’re using an earth dog.) Generally, a pack of feists won’t easily engage in interdog combat in the way that Jack Russells do. That’s why if you have three Jack Russells in the same room, you’d better watch them like a hawk.

Now, those are the two common breeds used as squirrel dogs. Where I grew up, squirrel hunters used Norwegian elkhounds (my grandpa’s favorite dogs), collie-types of all sorts, and even beagles and other scenthounds. Today, some squirrel hunters are using Jack Russells as squirrel dogs.

But no one has come up with using a golden retriever as a squirrel dog. Maybe I’m the only one.

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This dog’s owner has asked a question on yahoo answers about white markings in a golden retriever. The main question is whether this dog is purebred or not. The post is no longer taking answers, but I do have answer about this dog.

I was thinking he might have been a toller with black skin pigment, but then I saw  a photo of  his full brother. Further, this dog doesn’t have the really long coat that you very often see in tollers, which they get from their close collie ancestry.


His brother is a red golden of some recent field breeding.

Field line goldens, especially dark ones, occasionally have white markings. Adirondac goldens has a one of their dogs working as a SAR dog, and this dog has lots of white on her.

My previous post on white markings in golden retrievers shows an Irish setter with white in exactly the same places as the golden in first photograph.

In Marcia Schlehr’s The New Golden Retriever, the author talks about the extensive white markings on many of the early dogs, including blazes and white “socks” on the feet.

My first litter of goldens included a bitch pup that had these socks. She was a very drivey little girl, just like her mother, who had a white tail tip.

White was very common in some of the foundation lines of golden. Culham Copper had white feet and some white on his muzzle. His chest had as much white on it as the dog in question does.


In field line dogs, white markings always tend to pop up. For some reason, it seems to be associated with darker colors, although I’ve noticed that those with white marking tend to be a little lighter than the darkest goldens in the same line.

I hope the person who posted this question gets to see my answer.

Chances are very high that this dog is a purebred golden. And that’s where I’d put my money. Those people who say that this dog is a collie/golden cross are ignorant of coat color genetics. A sable collie crossed with a golden will not be a golden colored dog. It will be a black dog. Want proof? Look here. The only dog that isn’t a golden-collie cross on that page is the dog that looks like a golden retriever with collie ears. The only golden/collie crosses I’ve seen that aren’t black or black and tan are the backcrosses to either goldens or collies, and these aren’t very common. Most goldens are actually black dogs with a recessive gene that makes their color the cream to mahogany color.

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Golden retriever puppies meet cat

From the user fatboytait.

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The Hovawart is a reconstruction of a German farm dog that may have had some relationship to the livestock guardian dogs. Its name means “estate guardian.”

In 1210,  the castle of Ordensritterburg was captured by the Slavs, and all the inhabitants were killed, except for the noble’s infant son.  The child’s life was saved when a castle dog, supposedly a Hovawart, carried the baby to a neighboring castle. The child, Eike von Repkow, became a jurist in the German legal system, writing The Sachsenspiegel, the oldest surviving law code from Medieval Germany. The Hovawart was mentioned in this law code as a dog that must be replaced or paid restitution for if it is killed or stolen.

The dogs were used in pursue bandits and criminals in much the same way that German shepherds are today.

By the twentieth century, that breed began to replace the Hovawart, but some dedicated breeders led by zoologist Kurt Friedrich König searched for the remaining Hovawarts in the Black Forest region. After all, during this time period, German scientists, animal breeders, and historians were very interested in restoring ancient animal species and races. This activity was partly an outgrowth of German nationalism. Some other examples of this activity are the Heck cattle, a recreation of the aurochs, the ancestral wild cow of Europe, and the Heck horse, a recreation of the ancient Tarpan horse.

These Black Forest farm dogs were then bred with German shepherds, Kuvaszok, Newfoundlands, Leonbergers (which are derived from crossing Landseer Newfoundlands, St. Bernards, and the odd yellow mongrel to create the “Lion dog” symbol for the city of Leonberg), and a Bernese mountain dog. The resulting dogs were good for use in protection.

However, the blond and solid black ones look like golden and flat-coated retrievers. They are of a different temperament. Their temperament is more similar to the German shepherd, and some may be like the Kuvasz.

I saw a photo of a blond one in a dog book originally published in Germany, and I thought it was a big golden retriever.

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Here it is again with English subtitles.

Thanks again to Djanick Michaud of Zomarick Golden Retrievers.

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