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Winifred Charlesworth, the woman most instrumental in creating a distinct golden retriever breed, with some of her Noranby goldens.


And the modern version: Ginger, photo courtesy of Djanick Michaud of Zomarick Golden retrievers:


In black and white:

ginger black and white


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Noranby Black-eyed Susan is the center. Her daughter, Silence of Tone, is on the right, and Silence of Tone’s puppy, Saucy of Buckhold, is sitting at atention– almost as if she were as disciplined as her mother and grandmother. This photo was taken at some point in the 1930’s.

One can see the color of the two adult dogs this in photo. Silence of Tone is the dog on the left; Noranby Black-eyed Susan is lying next her.



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You can see the somewhat lighter tawny gold shadings on the darker dogs.

From left to right these dogs are: Silence of Tone, Noranby Black-eyed Susan, Ch. Noranby Diana (my favorite of the prewar goldens), and Noranby Jane.

The Noranby goldens belonged to Winifred Charlesworth, who, it can be argued, is the person most responsible for making the golden retriever a distinct breed.

This photo would have been taken in the early 1930’s.

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I have posted this photo of Ch. Noranby Jeptha before, but I have resized the image so that one can get a better look at her.

She was born in 1925, and in addition to her conformation championship, she placed in trials.

The above photo is Jeptha retrieving a cock pheasant.

If she were alive today, I definitely would call her a “Bush’s Baked Bean dog.

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Noranby Sandy was born in 1910, and he was a middle to light gold dog. Had either pale gold or cream shadings. He was run in field trials, but he never won a conformation championship. He was just two years older than Noranby Campire, the first champion in the breed.

He was a Noranby dog with Ingestre ancestors. His dam was Yellow Nell, born to Ingestre Scamp and Ingrestre Tyne, dogs that can be easily traced to the Guisachan dogs. His paternal grandsire was Fox of Melbury, and the Melbury dogs were owned by the 7th Earl of Ilchester. All the Melbury dogs were founded by Ada, one of the bitches born to the original Nous/Belle breeding.

He was a different color than the dogs Mrs. Charlesworth normally bred. Within fifteen years, she was producing dogs like Noranby Jeptha, which were somewhat darker in color.

The name Sandy denotes his sandy blond coloration, a color that many modern golden fanciers really like.

His lighter shadings are really quite attractive. I remember seeing a photo of a dark golden dog that we might call a “golden red,” but he had very light shadings in almost the same places that Sandy had them. It is not something someone sees very often, but it is possible for a dog to be quite dark and have light shadings.

I saw a golden in Munich with a similarly contrasting shading. I didn’t get a chance to take a photo, although I do have one of an undocked Welsh terrier.


I put him on here because he reminds me of someone:


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His later dogs were all heavy and coarse.

His later dogs were all heavy and coarse.

 Colonel Le Poer Trench was a fought in the Second Opium War. He returned to Ireland and represented County Galway in Parliament, but he soon moved onto other positions, eventually becoming Justice of the Peace for Westminster, Buckinghamshire, Middlesex, and London. He was also fancier of Lord Tweemouth’s strain.

He always believed the dogs were of Russian ancestry, and he always showed them as Russian retrievers, even though everyone knew that they were of the same ancestry as other strains of yellow wavy coat. So much influence did he have that he was able to show his Russians against goldens in the same class. His kennel was St. Hubert’s.

Some of his dogs were not bad in terms of their working conformation. He presented this dog to King George V at Sandringham:


However, his later dogs were heavy and coarse in their build.  His heavy dogs existed at a time when this breed was being bred to much more workmanlike, and his heavy dogs may be the result of his firm belief in the Russian circus dog story. However, Mrs. Charlesworth also believed in this story, and her dogs developed into the more lightly-built and darker versions of the breed. Perhaps, the colonel liked slow moving retrievers. The original split in golden retrievers was between the St. Hubert’s line and the Noranby line. The Noranby line and those that were bred in its image would dominate the breed until the mid-60’s, when cream-colored, “English type” dogs replaced them in Europe. The St. Hubert’s line would disappear, mainly because Mrs. Charlesworth did not like that type. Some early judges often put up dogs of the St. Hubert’s type, as well as the Charlesworth type, which led to a great deal of confusion about what the dogs would should look like. Variance in type is not a new problem in the golden retriever. However, in the early days of the breed, darker and lightly built dogs were dominant.

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