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To correct a previous post, I have been informed of Don’s color through a portrait of him. He was a liver dog, and he was within our modern definition of liver. However, he did carry the color for yellow, because of his Tweedmouth ancestry.

Keep in mind that yellow or reddish flat-coats were often registered as livers until the yellow color was opened for them in 1908. The  in black and white photos of Don, he does appear to be a light liver dog or a dark gold one, but the revelation of this portrait, shows that he was a liver dog with dark eyes and lovely yellow shadings (which you would expect from a dog possessing yellow ancestors).

Let the record stand corrected.

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Chinese man’s Pomeranian turns out to be a Fox.

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 You go on a business trip, and you see some cute puppies for sale. You buy one, thinking it is a Pomeranian. They are chocolate brown in color, which you think is a rare coloration in the Pomeranian dog.

As you raise this puppy, you notice some weird things. It never barks, and if you know any about Pomeranians, they are really vocal barkers. The tail continues to grow, and it never curls over the back in the way that Pomeranians typically carry their tails. The animal also changes color from a brownish color to solid white in winter. It also has a pervasive stench that even a regular bath cannot control.

Then you take the animal to the zoo, and the specialists there tell you that you don’t have a dog. The person who sold you this Pomeranian has sold you an Arctic fox.

  The fox now resides at the zoo, where, we hope, he will remain as an exhibit animal. However, the Arctic fox is raised for its fur, and China is a major fur producer. It is very possible that unscrupulous dog dealers are seling fur farmed animals as pets, because the market economy has opened up a new market for companion animals. The same sorts of scams existed in the early days of our dog fancy (and still do!). One of the earliest scams in Britain was selling docked curly-coated retrievers as standard poodles!

The pervasive stench that the “dog” gave off comes from the fox’s “violet gland” or precaudal gland. Domestic dogs have this gland, but it is inactive.   

Some dogs develop bald spots over this gland, while others, especially yellow Labradors, develop dark hairs around it. Here’s a page on the curly-coated retrievers that have a bald spot around that gland.

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Where have all the dark goldens gone?

They’ve been replaced.

By a fad.

The cream-colored Newfoundland, posing as a golden.

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Would you pay $1,000 and up for a dog that is likely to have no retrieving instinct, a surly temperament, seizures, and truncated (10-12 year) lifespan?

And here’s a lie that is being promulgated: the original goldens were this color. WRONG.

Ada was not a cream-colored dog! She was light gold!

Ada was not a cream-colored dog! She was light gold!

Ada was one of four bitch puppies born to a breeding between Belle. a Tweed water spaniel/water dog, and Nous, a dark gold wavy-coat. Belle had to have been a lighter colored dog than Nous, who was quite dark. The 1st Baron Tweedmouth bred this litter as a foundation stock of yellow or reddish wavy-coats.

Anyway, it’s pretty obvious that he did not prefer this color because he used a lot of red setter in the outcrosses to darken his dogs and given them stronger bird sense and stamina.

I’ve read this line about the cream being the original color too many times. It’s simply not true. The original color was light gold to golden red. Cream shadings were allowed. The light color was in the Tweed water dog, but it was not common among the dogs at Berwick-upon-Tweed, where the ancestors of the golden came from. It was only as the Tweed water spaniel died out that light colors began to predominate, perhaps through some ill-advised crossings with scent hounds.

If you can find me one of this light color that can work as well as the ones specially bred for work, I’ll drop my complaint. I’ve never seen one.

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The “Russian Retrievers”

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The dogs above are from Colonel Le Poer Trench’s St. Hubert’s kennel. They are clockwise:  St. Hubert’s Czar, St. Hubert’s Prince, and St. Hubert’s Peter.  Most of the later St. Hubert’s dogs were rather heavily built and coarse. Although they resembled many modern American show dogs, this line is believed to have died out. It is possible that some of these dogs worked their way into the registry, but there are no records that would suggest this.

Trench always swore that his dogs were of Russian ancestry. He even went to Caucasus at some point around 1912 in search of new bloodlines. He did not find any, of course, because 1) the dogs were all in the mountains with the shepherds and 2) the were Caucasian Ovtcharkas and were not suitable as retrievers.

However, his dogs were very different from the other lines of golden. His founding dog was named “St. Hubert’s Rock,” and he was definitely from the Tweedmouth strain, a golden retriever or yellow flat/wavy coat. He was bred to an “albino” bitch named “St. Hubert’s May.” She may have actually been a pale cream dog with brown or dudley skin pigment. She may have been the dog that introduced this light color into the breed. Her ancestry is unknown, although she was probably an unusually colored Tweedmouth dog or descendant of that strain. None of her offspring had her coloration, but virtually all of her descendants were light gold or cream in color.

Mrs. Charlesworth believed the stories about these dogs coming from Russia, even using letters written by a head keeper at Guisachan who used Trench’s evidence for their Russian origin. The letters claimed that the dogs were taken from a group of perfoming dogs that were of Russian origin at Brighton.  Nous was owned by a cobbler at Brighton, but he was a yellow wavy-coat, not a Russian dog at all.

Although Mrs. Charlesworth believed in  Trench’s story, she bred away from his type.  Her dogs, the Culham dogs, and the Ingestre dogs that essentially made up the breed’s foundation stock were mostly of the lightly built and dark type. She refused to breed from a dog that had this heavily built type and light color that appeared in her lines, because he was too much of the old type.

Of course, she believed the old type were of Trench’s type and were  descending from some unknown breed from the Caucasus. In reality, they had all developed coarsness from the Zelstone influence in the wavy-coated retriever.

Although most of the St. Hubert’s dogs were coarse and lightly colored, I have found a depiction of one of them that resembled a Culham, Ingestre, or Noranby dog. The below dog was from Trench’s kennel, but he was somewhat different from the dogs usually associated with his strain.

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St. Hubert's Peter

I am uncertain that this dog is the same “St. Hubert’s Peter” as the dog depicted in the other portrait. This dog appears darker and more lightly built than the dog in the other picture. It is possible that this dog is depicted twice with the second image representing this dog as a young animal and the first image representing the dog in more advanced years. However, it is also possible that different dogs were given the same name. Peter’s skin pigment tells me that  May, his ancestor, probably was a brown skinned retriever of a very pale cream color.

Albinism does occur in dogs, but it is definitely hereditary. Albino Doberman pinschers  are being  bred that are marked just like normal Dobermans but without pigment. However, this condition is considered a genetic disorder, not an unsual color, although one can find the odd dog breeder who tries to hawk a “rare white Doberman.” 

Judging from the description of May, she could not have been an Albino.  May was said to be a good worker, and albino Dobermans cannot do their work. They are light sensitive and easily blinded in even modest sunlight. They also  get sunburn. If may had been an Albino retriever, she would have had these same problems.

She did not have them, so my guess is that she was definitely a cream dog with either brown skin pigment or a dudley skin pigment.

I’ve come to the conclusion that Colonel le Poer Trench was a liar.  He made up this malarkey story to sell yellow wavy-coats or flat-coats as a breed. I even doubt that he went to Russia in search of new stock, because if you were to cross a Caucasian Ovtcharka with a golden retriever, you would have a very poor retriever on your hands! Further, he claimed to have gone to both the Caucasus and Siberia, which are some distance from each other. The Ovtcharka and the various types of wolfhound that could be considered “proto-Borzoi” are the only dogs native to the Caucasus, while Siberia’s native hunting dogs are all laikas, one of which is the direct ancestor of the Siberian husky.

Lady Pentland, the 1st Baron Tweedmouth’s daughter, said that the good Colonel never met her father. Trench had merely taken the story of Nous’s discovery at the residence of the Brighton cobbler, and he embelished it to the extreme.

Now, I wonder how many other dog origin stories are made up in this fashion? Trench’s story was thoroughly rebutted when Elma Stonex interviewed Lord Ilchester after receiving the full kennel records at Guisachan during the time of the  breed’s development. As near as I know, this is the only incredible dog origin story to have been rebutted with such overwhelming historical evidence.

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My dog in the snow. Her name is Miley.

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I took these photos of Miley the golden retriever in the recent snowfall in near my family’s property in Calhoun County, West Virginia.

Yes, she’s light colored, but she’s very fast and clever. She’s only 11 months old, so she still has a lot of maturing to do.  Her retrieving instinct is slowly but surely being refined. She’s very much a pet, though.

Here she is in the pasture. The horses have been taken out for the winter, so now she has some open acreage in which to run.

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Did I mention she likes to run?

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Here she is a few weeks ago:

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Gosh, she loves to run:

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Practical solutions to welfare problems in dog breeding.

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Sewallis Evelyn Shirley and Some Flat-Coated Retriever History

Mr. Shirley was responsible for founding both the Kennel Club and the flat-coated retriever.
Mr. Shirley was responsible for founding both the Kennel Club and the flat-coated retriever.
    
     In favor of explaining the development of the golden retriever as a distinct form, I have left out a little history that Flat-coat people know well but golden people seem to ignore. I am a golden owner, so my perspective is that of a golden owner trying to understand its history. However, I have always pointed out that we must know the history of both breeds. Remember, the history of both breeds is very close, simply because the golden was a color variety of flat-coat or wavy-coat through most of its development.
     In this case, I am talking about the role of Sewallis Evelyn Shirley and his founding of both the Kennel Club and the flat-coated retriever. Mr. Shirley was a member of parliament who had always hunted with wavy-coated retrievers.  At the time the wavy-coat was the most common type of retriever, and it differed from the flat-coat and golden in that it was generally a heavier dog  with a coat that was almost always long and wavy.  It was recognized as separate variety in the early retriever club in 1864 (four years before Nous was born), and the wavy-coated dogs began to dominate the early trial circuit. They were also shown in what were loose and informal dog shows for gundogs. Dogs were shown in arbitrary classes, and the main role for the retriever was to be a working animal that was to be trialed.
     Two early wavy-coat champions were Old Bounce and Young Bounce, which belong to a gamekeeper named Mr. Hull, and their descendants were the cornerstone of most wavy-coated strains. His breeding program used dogs that were descended from the two Bounces. He began to breed out the wave in his dogs’ coats. The early standard for the allowed for black and liver. Liver dogs included those dogs from the Tweedmouth strain, even though today we wouldn’t technically consider those dogs to be liver. His main interest was to standardize the wavy-coated variety into the flat-coated breed.
      He was also the founding president of the Kennel Club, the world’s oldest all breed registry, and the early flat-coats were among the first breeds to be shown in all breed shows. This organization was founed in 1873, merely nine years after the wavy-coated retriever was recognized as a separate variety of retriever.
      Mr. Shirley was also the owner of Zelstone, a dog that was probably a purebred St. John’s water dog but was registered as a flat-coat or a wavy-coat. Zelstone also appears as an outcross stude in Guisachan kennel records. He actually looks like a black golden retriever of the show type, and George Teasdale Teasdale-Buckell, another early fancier of the breed, considered his contribution to retrievers to be negative. His offspring developed coarseness and lumber that Mr. Teasdale-Buckell thought actually destroyed the flat-coat as a working dog. (It is currently what is destroying the golden as a working dog).
      The wavy-coated/flat-coated breed began to standardize around this evolving fancy that was trying to match working abilities with clear conformation standards based on working ability. By 1890’s, the wavy-coat became the flat-coat as we know it today. One of Teasdale-Buckell’s bitches, Jenny, had a narrower had than normally seen in the wavy-coat, and her progeny had a great deal of influence on the breed. (She probably had an influence on the goldens as well, because I had  wonderfully biddable golden with a narrow head. She would’ve been a perfect flat-coat except she was tawny with a white tail tip.)
      By beginning of the twentieth century, the more lithe dogs were perfect workers, and they totally dominated the working trials of this period. These changes in the breed began to affect the Tweedmouth strain, too, although heavy dogs could still be found,  largely because of Zelstone’s influence in the strain.
      In 1908, the yellow flat-coat or wavy coat was separated from the liver coloration. The early goldens of this time period look almost identical to flat-coats, except for color.  After all, they were varieties of the same breed.
Culham Brass (1908) had the flat-coat's body type. This body type is still common in field-type goldens.
Culham Brass (1904). Breeding for more lightly-built dogs in flat-coats affected the Tweedmouth strain, too.

Again, we see how interwoven the history of golden and flat-coated retrievers really is.

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