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Dobermann from 1915

August 15, 2010 by retrieverman

This is the Dobermann Pinscher from W.E. Mason’s Dogs of All Nations (1915).

This dog is quite different from the svelte creatures with elegant show crops that we know today.

One can easily see its Beauceron, German Shepherd, and Rottweiler features. In fact, those features seem to come through on this dog more than those from the standard pinscher, which is another ancestor of the breed.

Classifying the dobermann is actually not an easy task.

I would stick my neck out and put it with the herding breeds, simply because German shepherd and Beauceron are thought to be the primary influences on the breed.

However, we actually don’t know exactly what proportions of which breeds actually made up the dobermann.

Traditionally, it is put with the pinschers and schnauzers, which are kind of like the feists and curs for the German-speaking countries.

These dogs have been standardized into breeds, but for most of their history, they were the dogs of small farmers, who used them to control vermin and do some modest herding work. They shared this job with various dogs we call spitzes.

I am certain that the proto-standard pinscher played a role in developing some of the cur and feist strains that we have in the United States. I don’t know how this couldn’t have happened. Large numbers of Germans settled on the frontier. In my area,  the main cur type is what is called a mountain cur, which I’ve often thought resembles the Austrian pinscher.

However, the dobermann does not fit that same niche. It is true that the standard pinscher is an ancestor of the dobermann. However, when the tax collector named Ludwig Dobermann put together his breed, he really wasn’t producing a dog for small farmers to use as a multipurpose work animal.

He was creating a protection dog– a dog that someone with money could keep to protect his property.

Dobermann was a tax collector. A tax collectors in Imperial Germany were part of a larger civil servant class that had always characterized German society. In the centuries before the German Empire was founded in 1871, the German-speaking world was a series of smaller kingdoms and principalities. Many of these entities were landlocked or had no access to the major rivers (like the Elbe or the Rhine).  In order to trade with the outside world, these entities developed a large, literate professional class that could interface with those principalities and kingdoms that did have access. As a result, the German-speaking countries had a large professional class of civil servants– and the most literate people in the world.

When the German Empire was created following the Franco-Prussian War, this professional class continued to exist to administer this very diverse empire. The kingdoms and principalities did not disappear entirely. The were part of the empire, and to streamline everything, this professional class was needed just as much as it was before.

These civil servants did make fairly decent wages, and they had disposable income to buy large dogs. Because Dobermann was a tax collector, he needed a dog to protect himself.

So that’s how it got started.

But because of the dobermann’s utility and origin, I have a very hard time placing them within these groups we use to organize domestic dogs.

Maybe we should do to the dobermann what the FCI did to the dachshund. The FCI gave it its own grouping, simply because it is hard to place.

It’s not harder to place than the Dobermann.

Maybe we need a category called Imperial German Civil Servant Protection Dog.

Dogs in that category: the Dobermann.

But until then, I’m putting them with the herding dogs.

They just don’t seem to fit with the other pinschers.

And I’m even less comfortable calling them Molossers.

I do know they aren’t retrievers.

I think we can all agree on that.

Posted in dog breeds, working dogs | Tagged doberman, Doberman pinscher, Dobermann, pinscher | 7 Comments

7 Responses

  1. on August 15, 2010 at 1:11 pm Reziac

    The GSDs of that era were commonly more wolfy-looking, not all that similar to a Dobe or Beauceron (tho this Dobe does look like it shares ancestry with the Beauceron). I need to find that good pictoral GSD history site again, it has pics and descriptions of all the major sires from the foundations on down. It’s pretty clear that while previously there were specimens we’d recognise as GSDs, the breed wasn’t really coherent until after the mid-1920s.

    I do think that there is a Weim cross in the historical Dobe, which accounts for the variety of ear lengths (if you see ’em uncut, some have short rosed ears almost like a greyhound, some have long dangly ears) and probably the dilution gene and some other traits (including temperament).


    • on August 15, 2010 at 1:18 pm retrieverman

      Not all German shepherds of that era were wolfy.

      I’m using that term very loosely.

      There are German herding dogs that are technically German shepherds but aren’t like this at all.

      Some are more like Australian shepherds (Tiger dogs).

      Others like bearded collies (Schafpudel):

      http://www.altdeutschehuetehunde.de/

      Max von Stephanitz focused on the wolfy-type.

      But those other still exist.

      I don’t see much German pinscher in these Dobermanns.

      I see it more in the modern dog.

      It’s also not just Weim, but also other German HPR’s like the Kurzhaar.


  2. on August 15, 2010 at 2:45 pm EmilyS

    ummm… but do they actually herd?


    • on August 15, 2010 at 2:46 pm retrieverman


  3. on August 15, 2010 at 4:02 pm Peggy Richter

    several Dobermans have done quite well in herding. Having seen several herd over the years, I’d say they have a similar style to the Beauceron and Rottweiler (no surprise there). I’d easily class the Doberman in with “herding dogs”. AHBA recognizes them as “herding ancestry”, It’s possible some of the “German coolie” or ancestors thereof are also in the mix, although a Beauceron * standard Pincher bred back to a Beauceron or Rott/pincher x Beauceron would probably get you a dog that looked pretty darn close to the original Doberman. The merle is easy to get rid of by simply starting with a black/tan dog.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koolie

    Peggy Richter.


  4. on August 16, 2010 at 5:54 am Russell Constable

    http://cas.awm.gov.au/item/RELAWM04369

    Hey Scottie this Doberman from the Australian War Museum may be of interest to you too :) It is from the same era.


  5. on August 17, 2010 at 4:29 pm Lane Batot

    I think there should be a specific “guarding dog” category for breeds and types, and the Doberman would fit very neatly into this–that IS what they were developed specifically for, as were several dogs, and have been throughout history. Putting them in a Working Dog category seems fine(to me), since this category does include guarding types. Taking the German Shepherd out of the Working Dog category, and putting them under “Herding” I think was a mistake, for although they are certainly descended from herding type ancestors, they were developed as guard, police, and war dogs, and virtually no one uses a German Shepherd as a herding dog(in comparison with actual herding breeds). I’m sure some of the early proto-types of Dobermans showed a LOT of variety, considering the MANY breeds that went into their makeup! I have always suspiscioned that Weimaraners were in there somewhere too, Restiac–I once saw a “blue” Doberman with docked tail but uncropped ears that looked amazingly like a Weimaraner–plus, they both really sound alike when they bark–interesting how dog voices can be used to identify background–as everyone with a mutt that has that bugling Beagle voice can attest to the Beagle blood in the mixture!



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