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The 1st Foundational Falsehood of Creationism
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The St. John’s water dog as a cur
Posted in Retriever history, St. John's Water Dog, working dogs, tagged blackmouth cur, cur, cur dog, Labrador retriever on February 17, 2011 | 8 Comments »
You could be forgiven for thinking that these puppies were yellow Labradors or Labrador crosses.
They are blackmouth curs, just without the classic black mask.
Here an adult maskless blackmouth cur. It very strongly resembles a yellow Labrador:
The typical coloration for this type of cur isn’t pure yellow. Normally, it is a sable or clear yellow dog with a black mask.
However, they also come in brindle with a black mask and solid black. A solid black one would be very hard to distinguish from a Labrador or Labrador mix.
There are several different strains of blackmouth cur, but I am not going into it for the purposes of this piece. They vary greatly in appearance and size, with the smallest individuals weighing about 30 pounds and the largest approaching a hundred pounds.
There are several different strains of cur that are native to the US, all of which are in various stages of standardizing into definite breeds. The blackmouth variety is native to the Gulf Coast states from Florida to Texas. These are true landrace dogs, which descended from English curs dogs, various shepherds and mastiffs, and perhaps the dogs of the Native Americans.
It is very hard to classify the cur. They can be used as stock dogs, feral hog dogs, coonhounds, squirrel dogs, and just about anything else one can image. I believe some of these dogs have retrieving instinct and could easily be turned into decent bird dogs.
Curs are not mongrels, but they weren’t exactly breeds as we know them until recently. Different strains and types interbred, and different families established their own strains. Curs were the dogs of the common people, and these dogs were generally not considered for registration into the large kennel clubs. The term “cur” came to reflect a dog that was owned by the blue-collar set, and it got mixed up with the term mongrel.
These dog are generally very biddable and eager to please, although each dog is an individual and certain strains may have not been selected for trainability. And they are generally good with children.
Curs were the dogs of English settlers to the North America. These dogs were particularly common in the North of England and the West Country, which is also where many English settlers to the South came from. The West Country is also the place where many Newfoundlanders of English descent settled.
It seems likely that one of the dogs that the English in Newfoundland would have brought would have been working cur dogs. These dogs likely were ubiquitous across the English colonies in North America.
In Newfoundland, the dogs crossed with various other strains that managed to make it in Newfoundland, including water dogs from Iberia. The dogs were put to work setting nets and hauling lines.
If the yellow coloration were endemic to English curs, then this breed is a likely source for the yellow color in retrievers. The yellow or red coloration occasionally popped up in various dogs with origins on Newfoundland.
Because of the addition of other breeds and because working in the water off the coast of Newfoundland requires a different coat from dogs working on farms in the subtropical South, the St. John’s water dog evolved a much thicker undercoat.
The dog below is Nell, a St. John’s water dog who was born in 1856 in Scotland. Her ancestry was solely from Newfoundland.
And she does bear a resemblance to the blackmouth cur dog, just she is predominantly black in color.
Therefore, it may be more instructive to think of the St. John’s water dog as the endemic cur of Newfoundland that unfortunately went extinct. However, this cur breed went on to found all the extant retriever breeds.
Mark Derr was the first person to postulate this classification for the St. John’s water dog. He suggested this classification in Dog’s Best Friend, and even though I read that book years ago, it has taken me years to finally accept the merits of classifying this extinct breed as a cur.
In the end, I resisted this classification because of my own biases. Subconsciously, I was harboring a bias against dogs that were native to my own country but were not being maintained in an actual registry. But once I’ve pruned away these biases, I think this classification works.
So the St. John’s water dog and the ancestral Newfoundland were the curs of their island homeland.


















