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Dog Bite Force Competition

January 4, 2010 by retrieverman

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The Rottweiler wins this one.

If a golden retriever had been tested, I bet it would have been dead last.

My goldens often collected box turtles that they would take home to gnaw. I always confiscated the turtles and released them back into the wild, but the  golden boxer was particularly bad about taking the turtles home and bursting the open before I could get them away from her. (I’m very aware of the conservation issues that box turtles face, even if my state would prefer to ignore them.)

If a wolf from a population known to kill large prey had been tested, my guess is the wolf would be the obvious winner. This program tested a captive wolf, and it beat all of the dogs. However, if they had tested a wolf that had been brought up chasing down bison or moose,  there would be no comparison. A wolf that develops using its jaws in such a fashion will develop a much more powerful bite than a wolf raised in captivity.

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Posted in dog breeding, dog breeds | Tagged dog bite force, dog bites | 12 Comments

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  1. on January 4, 2010 at 2:23 am Rinalia

    Totally unscientific but a lot of fun.

    I think what’s more interesting is that the APBT, who weighs far less than both the GSD and Rottweiler has a bite force comparable to the much larger GSD. I wonder if the bite force per pound of dog is a more interesting bit of information than just the psi…I think a hard-mouthed APBT might pose stiff competition as far as bite force per pound of body weight.

    My APBT doesn’t have a hard mouth. She’s got a nice soft touch, which is why her stuffed animal toys last years. When I added Celeste to the mix, all that changed and now I have to buy toys a lot more frequently. (She’s soft-mouthed on toys but loves eyes). Mina will tug and although she has a softer mouth than Celeste, she has the facial structure that gives her a better grip. Celeste is a lot more intense when it comes to tug, though.

    Anyhoo, cool stuff. :)


    • on January 4, 2010 at 2:46 am retrieverman

      I think he did adjust for size, and the Tasmanian devil wound up having the greatest bite force for its body size.


      • on February 6, 2010 at 12:23 am cavaco jose

        In a web site : test bite force devil tasmanian : 395 livres = 178kg ( national geographic TV: encounters dangerous bite force 2 ) , But i not know si it’s true ! / the resultats of bite force of dogs : différents web sites ; national geographic: bite force dogs , encounters dangerous , prehistoric wolf ; and fuerza del mordida perros.


  2. on January 4, 2010 at 6:33 pm Christopher@BorderWars

    So, German engineering surpasses English engineering. Not a big surprise.

    For a real thrill try reading the comments to that video.


    • on January 4, 2010 at 6:54 pm retrieverman

      Those comments make my head hurt.

      Apparently, on youtube, there is a huge debate about which critters can kill other critters. It involves more species than you can imagine and maybe thousands of people with too much time on their hands. Some of the Ovtcharkas (Caucasian and Central Asian) have killed wolves, so there is a faction who say s that these dogs have the strongest bites. Another says it’s Kangals. No, it has be the pit bull. No, it’s got a be my common bulldog cur that bit through a metal bucket.

      Lots of young men (I assume this is who they are) like to fight over whether lions can kill tigers. I think that’s how it got started.

      Rottweilers are derived from Swiss dogs, so take that how you will.


    • on January 5, 2010 at 12:58 am Viatecio

      I’ve given up on YouTube comments. They need an option to “Hide All Comments” on any particular video. Because occasionally, I spend too much time in the civilized portion of the internet and just get to thinking that there might be hope for future generations…and then I watch a video on YouTube and hang my head in shame.

      Gotta love the fancy bullet-time filming in that video though. The one on NatGeo that you showed earlier (with the mastiff vs Am bulldog vs Malinois vs Dutchie) is slightly more well-done, IMO.


      • on January 7, 2010 at 4:48 am retrieverman

        I don’t know where people from youtube come from.

        I mentioned on an video that the largest wolf ever killed was 175 pounds, and I was accused of taking that fact from wikipedia. Of course, that fact may be on wikipedia. They claimed it was about as true as the WMD in Iraq.

        I have read it in several Mech’s books and Busch’s Wolf Almanac, so I think it’s probably correct.

        Of course, it’s nearly impossible to find a wolf that weighs over 140 pounds.


  3. on February 6, 2010 at 12:07 am cavaco jose

    tests of bite force of dogs / tests de force de morsure ou machoire : malinois shepherd: 88kg ; germany shepperd: 108kg ; holland shepherd: 105kg ; chihuhua: around: 10kg ; jack-russel: 50kg ; shar-pei: around: 85kg ; chow-chow: around: 102kg ; doberman: around: 102kg ; 2 pit-bulls: around: 107kg and 127kg ; sarplaninac: around: 115kg ; bull-mastiff: around: 132kg ; husky: around 135kg ; kangal: around: 139kg ; boxer: around: around: 140kg ; boer-bull: 150kg ; american bulldog: 138kg ; 2 rottweilers: 149kg and 161kg ; 2 tosa-inus: 150kg and 251kg (556 livres) ; lycaon: 144kg ; wolves: 149kg (330 livres) and 183kg (406 livres) ; spotted hyene: of 360kg at 453kg (1000 livres) . Estimation bite force: The big wolves and the big mastiffs (dogs) can bitten with one pressure of + 200kg , (maximum: 300kg)


    • on February 6, 2010 at 12:21 am retrieverman

      Thanks for that information. All of those have big heads that allow those muscles to attach to make the jaws stronger


    • on April 29, 2010 at 7:31 pm John

      What is your source for the dog bite forces? I am interested in the forces of a Chow dog

      Thanks!
      John


  4. on February 27, 2011 at 10:15 pm ryan

    There is a 185lb black wolf on record; google it.


  5. on September 14, 2011 at 12:34 pm Charles

    Among things left out here—Ernest Seton, a “naturalist” who wiped out many wild animals, killed Lobo, “King of the Currumpaw,” in North central New Mexico, in 1893. Lobo was known as “the giant cattle killing wolf” and weighed all of 207 pounds. Seton also investigated the wolverine. In his writings the drift is there that the wolverine has a harder bite than any wolf OR hyena. Some trappers claim(ed) the wolverine could bite through the chain anchoring a leg hold trap. Myth or fact, I know not. But of course, which chain is discussed? Past a certain size there’d be no chance. Tom Topham lifted a 6 foot wooden table with his teeth/jaws/neck alone (Derby England, early 1730’s).



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