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Golden retriever/toller mix

March 6, 2011 by SWestfall3

Because many field-type goldens have white on them, I probably wouldn’t have recognized this dog as a mix.

My guess is the golden in this mix was a little lighter than normal. Although lighter tollers exist, most of them are fairly dark in color. However, today, it’s not very unusual to come across very pale colored goldens, which would lighten the color of this cross a little bit.

I think this cross produces a fairly attractive dog, although it’s somewhat difficult to tell if this dog is a crossbreed or just a working-type golden retriever.

Posted in golden retriever | Tagged golden retriever, golden retriever mix, golden retriever/Nova Scotia duck-tolling retriever cross, golden retriever/Nova Scotia duck-tolling retriever mix, Nova Scotia Duck-Tolling Retriever | 16 Comments

16 Responses

  1. on March 6, 2011 at 12:15 am HTTrainer

    I refer to Tollers as Goldens with breed faults, not true but it does get their attention.


    • on March 6, 2011 at 12:18 am retrieverman

      I call them “little collie goldens.”

      They do share two distant ancestors: the wavy-coated retriever and the St. John’s water dog.

      But they have a lot of that English red decoy dog in them, plus some kind of recent collie. They are the only retriever to get Collie Eye Anomaly.


    • on March 6, 2011 at 12:20 am retrieverman

      Something else, and I’ll put this mildy, tollers have a “somewhat less dynamic gene pool” than goldens have.


      • on March 6, 2011 at 12:50 am Jess

        http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20136772
        http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20646119
        http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20101241
        http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19636550


  2. on March 6, 2011 at 1:22 am Sarah

    Honestly?

    The toller stands out to me more than the golden does…
    even though it would be more common to see a golden cross than a toller cross. I find this especially in the face – the way the ears are set and the muzzle/pink nose, and in the positions of the white on the body. If I recoll correctly, the pictures of the goldens you’ve posted with white have had less white on them too…


    • on March 6, 2011 at 1:33 am retrieverman

      I see a lot of goldens with high set ears. And with a lot of white on them.

      The coat and head look more goldeny than tolerrish.

      You can get goldens in working lines that have brown skin.

      This is a pure golden from working lines that has more white on it than this toller cross:

      https://retrieverman.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/golden-retriever-with-white.jpg?w=450&h=338


      • on March 7, 2011 at 11:51 am M.R.S.

        That particular dog I would suspect of having something other than pure Golden ancestry. Not just the white on the face, but the shape of the head and other factors.


    • on March 6, 2011 at 1:37 am retrieverman

      https://retrieverman.wordpress.com/2010/01/02/some-more-goldens-with-white-on-them/


    • on March 6, 2011 at 11:32 am retrieverman

      Second dog from the left has the same head as the toller cross.


  3. on March 6, 2011 at 3:09 pm kym mae

    I see more Toller in this cross than Golden Retriever. The leanness of the face, flatness of the skull, and higher set ears all scream Toller to me.


    • on March 6, 2011 at 3:12 pm retrieverman

      I don’t.

      I see plenty of goldens with heads just like this.

      They aren’t all blocky headed.


    • on March 6, 2011 at 3:14 pm retrieverman

      Tollers actually look more like collies of some sort than golden retrievers.


    • on March 6, 2011 at 3:16 pm retrieverman

      Check out this dog’s head and tell me they aren’t almost the same.


  4. on March 23, 2011 at 12:24 pm DM

    This is definitely a Golden/Toller mix? It looks absolutely gorgeous!

    Are there breeders for these dogs?


    • on March 23, 2011 at 1:09 pm retrieverman

      I don’t think anyone breeds this dog intentionally.


  5. on March 25, 2011 at 11:13 pm DM

    http://www.petfinder.com/petdetail/18846286

    These dogs are really good lookers! It is a wonder (to me) that they aren’t bred!



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