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A Philadelphia Newfoundland from sometime around the turn of the last century

June 1, 2013 by SWestfall3

I don’t have the date of this photo, but it would be in the late part of the nineteenth century or the very early part of the twentieth century. The photo is by a George Jaeger. If someone has any information about this photographer, I’d be quite interested.

This dog is definitely a retriever-like Newfoundland dog, which were common in the United States during the time period. When you read of “Newfoundlands” doing remarkable things in the nineteenth century, a lot of them were more like large wavy-coated retrievers than the giant Newfoundlands we see in the show ring:

girl with Newfoundland dog Philadelphia

Photo courtesy of Nara U.

This dog looks like a large black golden retriever, which just shows you how conservative we’ve actually been in choosing which dogs we have made popular. This retriever-crazed era is just simply history repeating itself.  The retrievers, with the exception of the toller, are just modifications on these old Newfoundland dogs.

At the time, Newfoundlands were being challenged for popularity by St. Bernards, which traditionally looked more like Greater Swiss mountain dogs, and they were always popularly portrayed with a flask of brandy on their collars. This Newfoundland is wearing a decorative flask, which wealthy people would use to adorn their St. Bernards. I guess the owners thought their Newfoundland needed one for the photo!

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  • Teasing apart the history of the Newfoundland dog, the St. John’s water dog, and the retrievers
  • The origin and evolution of the wavy-coated retriever

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Posted in Newfoundland, Retriever history | Tagged Newfoundland, Newfoundland dog | 14 Comments

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  1. on June 1, 2013 at 11:05 am DAC

    A completely different dog than the ones we have today.


  2. on June 1, 2013 at 1:22 pm Jen Robinson

    That dog looks more like a modern Golden than it does like Lassie, the supposed last St Johns dog in Wolter’s Lab book. Might it be that Labs and goldens (generally-the full story may be much more complicated) descended from different types within the same landrace?


    • on June 2, 2013 at 1:53 am Dave

      The fishermen of the Grand Banks sent all their rejects to Britain. The wavy and curly-coats you see are simply rejected dogs which didn’t do very well in the frigid water of the Atlantic.

      Eventually over time, the only phenotype left in the native sock was short, smooth-haired.


      • on June 2, 2013 at 4:35 am Jennifer

        So Labradors are descended from the ‘keeps’ and goldies from the culls? Then how did Labrador progenitors get to the UK? Were the dogs the 2nd Earl of Malmsbury imported from the ‘keep’, rather than the ‘cull’ stock?


        • on June 2, 2013 at 7:57 am Dave

          Fishing industry declined, and people began urbanizing.


        • on June 2, 2013 at 8:57 am retrieverman

          Labradors are descended from keepers for Newfoundlanders. Golden retrievers were descended from earlier exports, which were less efficient in the water.


      • on June 2, 2013 at 8:44 pm M.R.S.

        Opportunistic Newfoundlanders would sell whatever dogs the gentry paid for. And even today, the occasional long-coat pops up from smooth parents. (See prior post in this blog about long-haired Labradors.).


        • on June 2, 2013 at 8:47 pm retrieverman

          The reason why they were called St. John’s water dogs in the first place is they were sold by merchants at St. John’s to fishing boats. The landrace dog was still common in the outports.


  3. on June 1, 2013 at 3:31 pm M.R.S.

    The dog’s eyes look weird in this photo– sort of a Stephen King effect?


  4. on June 1, 2013 at 4:58 pm Rachel

    Beautiful dog. I actually had a retriever like Newfoundland. Still a very large dog,but had more of a retriever like head and had a high prey drive towards water fowl.
    Sense he was from unknown breeding he could have had mixed blood though.
    http://s708.photobucket.com/user/wired-rottie/media/the_proud_newfie_.jpg.html?sort=3&o=0
    http://s708.photobucket.com/user/wired-rottie/media/RIP2000-2013.jpg.html


  5. on June 2, 2013 at 11:27 am chervilmeadow

    young lady’s feet barely larger than her dog’s!


  6. on June 3, 2013 at 2:50 pm Richard E

    Some suggestions that Newfoundlands as we now know the large breed were essentially a product of European breeding in the sense of the imports were bulked up in head and substance by crossing in the heaver dogs of Europe


    • on June 3, 2013 at 2:59 pm retrieverman

      And in St. John’s too, where there were store owners willing to sell English and American people anything.


      • on June 4, 2013 at 4:36 am Richard E

        Absolutely love your blog – I am a Labrador person – please just keep your stuff coming.



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